Хранители/Watchmen

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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Роман КОРНЕЕВ » 11 дек 2008, 17:26

вот я как раз угадал )) потому что я-то как раз про психа )) суперспособности, ясный красный, у того синего ))
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Джокер » 11 дек 2008, 17:36

а. ну тада все верно. :D синего, если что, звать Доктор Манхэттен, а психа - Роршах ))
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Guy » 11 дек 2008, 17:38

Если судить пог имени я бы подумал наоборот)
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Montoya » 12 дек 2008, 01:23

Если вдруг я на это и пойду, то исключительно цепляться. :0)
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Денис Рогов » 25 дек 2008, 11:53

Если 20th Century Fox заполучит фильм , то наши из Фокса СНГ обговняют фильм и дубляж будет сделан на студии Невафильм с отвратительным переводом .
Если Warner Bros всеравно выпустит и не отдаст Фоксу ,то тогда у нас Централ Партнершип - Парамаут еще по трейлеру было видно что дубляж будет студии Мосфильм -Мастер или может даже отличный дубляж от студии Пифагор .
Последний раз редактировалось Денис Рогов 25 дек 2008, 23:44, всего редактировалось 2 раз(а).
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Джокер » 25 дек 2008, 17:21

Да лана, крест. Фильма вполне еще может выйти в марте. Смотря как договорятся фокс и ворнеры и договорятся ли они вообще.
и да, если не свои слова пишешь, может все-таки тэг "квота" использовать? ))
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Джокер » 09 янв 2009, 14:51

Открытое письмо продюсеров сабжа

"Watchmen. A producer's perspective.

An open letter.

Who is right? In the Watchmen dispute between Warner Brothers and Fox that question is being discussed, analyzed, argued, tried and ruled on in a court of law. That's one way to answer the question - It is a fallback position in our society for parties in conflict to resolve disputes. And there are teams of lawyers and a highly regarded Federal Judge trying to do just that, which obviates any contribution I could make towards answering the "who is right" question within a legal context. But after 15 plus years of involvement in the project, and a decade more than that working in the movie business, I have another perspective, a personal perspective that I believe important to have on the public record.

No one is more keenly aware of the irony of this dispute than Larry Gordon and I who have been trying to get this movie made for many years. There's a list of people who have rejected the viability of a movie based on Alan Moore and Dave Gibbon's classic graphic novel that reads like a who's who of Hollywood.

We've been told the graphic novel is unfilmable.

After 9/11 some felt the story's themes were too close to reality ever to be palatable to a mainstream audience.

There were those who considered the project but who wished it were somehow different: Could it be a buddy movie, or a team-up movie or could it focus on one main character; did it have to be so dark; did so many people have to die; could it be stripped of its flashback structure; could storylines be eliminated; could new storylines be invented; did it have to be so long; could the blue guy put clothes on... The list of dissatisfactions for what Watchmen is was as endless as the list of suggestions to make it something it never was.

Also endless are the list of studio rejections we accrued over the years. Larry and I developed screenplays at five different studios. We had two false starts in production on the movie. We were involved with prominent and commercial directors. Big name stars were interested. In one instance hundreds of people were employed, sets were being built - An A-list director and top artists in the industry were given their walking papers when the studio financing the movie lost faith.

After all these years of rejection, this is the same project, the same movie, over which two studios are now spending millions of dollars contesting ownership. Irony indeed, and then some.

Through the years, inverse of the lack of studio faith has been the passionate belief by many many individuals - movie professionals who were also passionate fans of the graphic novel - who, yes, wanted to work on the film, but more for reasons of just wanting to see the movie get made, to see this movie get made and made right, donated their time and talent to help push the film forward: Writers gave us free screenplay drafts; conceptual art was supplied by illustrators, tests were performed gratis by highly respected actors and helped along and put together by editors, designers, prop makers and vfx artists; we were the recipients of donated studio and work space, lighting and camera equipment. Another irony, given the commercial stakes implied by the pitched legal dispute between Fox and Warners, is that for years Watchmen has been a project that has survived on the fumes of whatever could be begged, borrowed and stolen - A charity case for all intents and purposes. None of that effort, none of that passion and emotional involvement, is considered in the framework of this legal dispute.

From my point of view, the flashpoint of this dispute, came in late spring of 2005. Both Fox and Warner Brothers were offered the chance to make Watchmen. They were submitted the same package, at the same time. It included a cover letter describing the project and its history, budget information, a screenplay, the graphic novel, and it made mention that a top director was involved.

And it's at this point, where the response from both parties could not have been more radically different.

The response we got from Fox was a flat "pass." That's it. An internal Fox email documents that executives there felt the script was one of the most unintelligible pieces of shit they had read in years. Conversely, Warner Brothers called us after having read the script and said they were interested in the movie - yes, they were unsure of the screenplay, and had many questions, but wanted to set a meeting to discuss the project, which they promptly did. Did anyone at Fox ask to meet on the movie? No. Did anyone at Fox express any interest in the movie? No. Express even the slightest interest in the movie? Or the graphic novel? No.

From there, the executives at Warner Brothers, who weren't yet completely comfortable with the movie, made a deal to acquire the movie rights and we all started to creatively explore the possibility of making Watchmen. We discussed creative approaches and started offering the movie to directors, our former director having moved on by then. After a few director submissions, Zack Snyder came onboard, well before the release of his movie 300. In fact, well before its completion. This was a gut, creative call by Larry, me and the studio... Zack didn't have a huge commercial track record, yet we all felt he was the right guy for the movie.

Warner Brothers continued to support, both financially and creatively, the development of the movie. And eventually, after over a year of work, they agreed to make the film, based on a script that, for what it's worth, was by and large very similar to the one Fox initially read and deemed an unintelligible piece of shit.

Now here's the part that has to be fully appreciated, if for nothing more than providing insight into producing movies in Hollywood: The Watchmen script was way above the norm in length, near 150 pages, meaning the film could clock in at close to 3 hours, the movie would not only be R rated but a hard R - for graphic violence and explicit sex - would feature no stars, and had a budget north of $100M. We also asked Warner Brothers to support an additional 1 to 1.5 hours of content incurring additional cost that would tie in with the movie but only be featured in DVD iterations of the film. Warners supported the whole package and I cannot begin to emphasize how ballsy and unprecedented a move this was on the part of a major Hollywood studio. Unheard of. And would another studio in Hollywood, let alone a studio that didn't show one shred of interest in the movie, not one, have taken such a risk? Would they ever have made such a commitment, a commitment to a film that defied all conventional wisdom?

Only the executives at Fox can answer that question. But if they were to be honest, their answer would have to be "No."

Shouldn't Warner Brothers be entitled to the spoils - if any -- of the risk they took in supporting and making Watchmen? Should Fox have any claim on something they could have had but chose to neither support nor show any interest in?

Look at it another way... One reason the movie was made was because Warner Brothers spent the time, effort and money to engage with and develop the project. If Watchmen was at Fox the decision to make the movie would never have been made because there was no interest in moving forward with the project.

Does a film studio have the right to stand in the way of an artistic endeavor and determine that it shouldn't exist? If the project had been sequestered at Fox, if Fox had any say in the matter, Watchmen simply wouldn't exist today, and there would be no film for Fox to lay claim on. It seems beyond cynical for the studio to claim ownership at this point.

By his own admission, Judge Feess is faced with an extremely complex legal case, with a contradictory contractual history, making it difficult to ascertain what is legally right. Are there circumstances here that are more meaningful, which shed light on what is ultimately just, to be taken into account when assessing who is right? In this case, what is morally right, beyond the minutiae of decades-old contractual semantics, seems clear cut.

For the sake of the artists involved, for the hundreds of people, executives and filmmakers, actors and crew, who invested their time, their money, and dedicated a good portion of their lives in order to bring this extraordinary project to life, the question of what is right is clear and unambiguous - Fox should stand down with its claim.

My father, who was a lawyer and a stickler for the minutiae of the law, was always quick to teach me that the determination of what is right and wrong was not the sole purview of the courts. I bet someone at Fox had a parent like mine who instilled the same sense of fairness and justice in them.

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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Роман КОРНЕЕВ » 09 янв 2009, 15:18

да уж.
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Inna I » 09 янв 2009, 16:12

Ой, а нельзя ли озвучить мессидж сего послания в пару строчек ин рашын?
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Роман КОРНЕЕВ » 09 янв 2009, 16:22

если вкратце то фокс уроды и никогда им этот проект нафиг не был нужен, а вот ворнеры ребят всячески поддерживали и надо совесть иметь, господа.
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Джокер » 09 янв 2009, 16:47

Собственно сначала продюсер Ллойд Левин ведет долгий рассказ о том, как он еще с начала девяностых пытался снять фильм по графическому роману. Однако большинство студий либо заявляло, что первоисточник просто невозможно перенести на экран, либо хотело сделать фильм совсем другим, сильно отличающимся от комикса. Было написано пять сценариев для разных студий, два раза начиналось производство, но финансирующая студия каждый раз "теряла веру" в проект и закрывала его.

В конце концов, поздней весной 2005-го года предложение снять фильм поступило Warner Bros. и Fox. В обе студии была доставлена одна и та же посылка, в которой были письмо, описывающее всю историю проекта-долгостроя, информация о примерном бюджете, сценарий, экземпляр комикса. Fox отказали. WB же после переговоров решили развивать проект, при том что хронометраж близился к 3 часам, в главных ролях не было звёзд, в фильме было жесткое насилие и эротические сцены, а бюджет был под $100 млн. Разумеется, Fox не взяли бы на себя такой риск, и теперь, когда они хотят отсудить проект у WB перед самым релизом, Левин считает, что они должны отступить "ради того времени, денег и труда, который сотни людей вложили в развитие этого экстраординарного проекта".

как-то так.

а вообще - моё мнение - если у фокса реально есть права на проект еще с начала девяностых, то они в общем правы, если хотят как минимум свою долю от проката. Но вот почему я за WB - потому что, мля, если на фоксе знали, что фильм снимается, а у них есть права, какого хрена они ждали, пока фильм будет закончен? Нельзя было сразу заявить, типа, это наш проект, не трожьте? То есть чуваки и пальцем не пошевелили, пока Снайдер снимал фильм, а теперь хотят права на дистрибуцию. Пестец.
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Inna I » 09 янв 2009, 17:11

Эх. Хотца надеяться, что, несмотря на, фоксов всё же обломают. Иначе как-то грустно совсем...
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Джокер » 16 янв 2009, 13:10

Ну что. Фокс и WB вроде договорились - первый получит приличную сумму сейчас, потом процент от проката. Фокс не будет и со-дистрибьютором.
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Роман КОРНЕЕВ » 16 янв 2009, 13:14

ну, приличную ли )) не известно. но сама история отвратительна с самого начала. хорошо, что она закончилась.
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Re: Хранители/Watchmen

Сообщение Денис Рогов » 16 янв 2009, 14:00

Рад что кино все таки выйдет .
Рад что Фокс и WB все таки договорились
В США прокатчик Warner Bros а почему тогда у нас прокатывает его Централ Партнершип-Paramount а не этот дерьмовый прокатчик Каро ?
Хотя так даже лучше Централ Партнершип-Paramount хоть нормально от рекламирует фильм у нас . Жду фильм .
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